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Mr. Royster pointed out that tires are not biodegradable. Mr. Van Buren said that in response to condition 6 (c ) , many of the tires on the property are not needed for recycling. Staff would like to have a reasonably-sized stockpile. The goal is to reduce the whole tires and the hazards that are associated with it. In the past all we have had in the record is the number of tires coming in must equal the number of tires going out. This does not say anything about all of the existing tires that were stockpiled. Mr. Miller said that particular condition was recommended by CWMB, but it was not put in their letter. (That some type of plan be written with some type of goal ) . They recommended that he have something to aim for even though he may have to come back and say he was unable to reach that goal. Comm. Carter commented that what the Commission is looking for is that 1 ) there will be a reduction; and 2 ) we are looking for someone to buy the potential fuel; and when that is done, perhaps "this is the pro- cess that will take place when that occurs; and, hopefully, in a span of time, not necessarily a date time, but a span of time - one year or two years, or whatever - this will be achieved. " Mr. Royster made the following statements to explain his situation: Every time one of those tires goes into the shredder, it costs him 28� . He said that is a compelling reason to sell the shredded rubber. He has spent over one million dollars of his own money developing a tire shredder and it is too expensive to operate. He is proposing to purchase another model of a shredder that would not be as expensive. It would not shred as many tires though. He does not have a market to buy the shredded tires at this time. Mr. Royster said he currently had the capacity of shredding a maximum of 600 tires an hour. He grind' s normally 500 an hour. He works an 8 hour day. Mr. Royster said they do not do that every day, but that is an average. Mr. Royster said he makes a profit of approximately $1. 30 a ton; because the 28C does not count his hauling cost. On some of the loads he hauls in he does not make a profit at all because the distance is too far,f but it averages out about $1. 30 a ton. In answer to a quesi- ton, Mr. Royster said that rubber can be used in highway construction. However, the process is not viable for him. Also in answer to a question, Mr. Royster said there are people living in both mobilehomes . Chairman Jungeblut said that Condition 6 (e ) would probably be the tough one. Mr. Royster said that is the hard one. He said the econo- mics of it - the tires that are there presently are by-and-large the tires that were there when he bought the property. He shredded one and replaced it with another one in that location. But there are fewer tires in the whole-state on the property today than there were I in 1983 . He cleaned up the ones out in the fields in and they brought those in and shredded them. If you take the total count, there are i PC: 1/22/87 -5- MINUTES