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9 He asked, "What do you want from us?"Mr. Brannon continued"You can't keep doing this to us!" and"Your interpretation of the law is wrong."And"Have you even read this?"Mr. Brannon specifically mentioned the Department's "interpretation of the container laws,"and tried to hand a copy of the regulations that was obtained from the CIWMB to Jenni Frase. Jenni Frase did not take the offered copy of the law, and then explained that the container laws had been specifically addressed in previous inspection reports. Robert McClellon contacted Terry Smith of the CIWMB in order to clarify container law definitions. Those events had been documented in previous inspection reports. At that point, Ms. Frase suggested that Mr. Brannon pull out his copies of previous inspection reports in order to obtain a clear perception of the big picture. Mr. Brannon said something to the effect that EHD could not include the count of waste tires inside the Tri-C trailers, according to Mr. Brannon's interpretation of the law. Michael Kith then confirmed with Jenni Frase and informed Mr. Brannon that the tires inside the Tri-C trailers were not counted. Michael Kith added that in order for the tires not to be counted, the tires must be in road-worthy trailers and in the process of being transported, tires could not be stored there forever. Mr. Brannon claimed that the tire count was wrong after looking at the attachment A,which was submitted to EHD by Jaime Alvarez. Mr. Brannon claimed that"there's no such a thing as 27-foot trailers (referring to Attachment A); they don't exist." Mr. Brannon then asked Ms. Frase if she counted each tire inside of the trailers. Jenni Frase replied that the amount of tires inside of the trailers was estimated and that Jaime Alvarez was present at the time that estimations were made and the inspection reports reflected that the amounts had been estimated. Mr. Brannon insisted that the tire count was wrong, the information on attachment A was wrong and that the 27-foot trailer did not exist. Michael Kith informed Mr. Brannon that the amount of tires inside each trailer was provided by Jaime at the time of inspection, and the attachment A was submitted to EHD by Jaime Alvarez. Mr. Brannon used the walkie-talkie part of his phone to contact his manager, Jaime Alvarez. The conversation was on speaker-phone. Jaime Alvarez had just returned from Sacramento. Mr. Brannon explained to Mr. Alvarez that Jenni Frase and Michael Kith were in Mr. Brannon's office with inspection reports and asked Jaime to come to the office. Then Mr. Brannon asked what was the issue? Michael Kith responded that there were more that 500 tires on the flea market site during the initial inspection. On second inspection,those tires disappeared, and there was no written record of what happened to those tires. Mr. Brannon claimed that those tires were moved to the retread side less than 9 at a time, manifest was not required for that. Michael Kith asked what happened to those tires after they got to the retread side? Mr. Brannon responded, "They were recapped and sold." Michael Kith asked if Mr. Brannon had any document to support that. Mr. Brannon responded, "The law says we can haul 9 or less without the manifest, is this a local rule?" Michael Kith explained that it was not,but since the site had violation before the tires movement needed to be tracked. Michael Kith added, "I'm just using this as an example; I am not saying that you are doing this. If it sounds as if I am accusing you,I apologize, okay?"Michael Kith then continued to explain that in the event a trailer full of tires was illegally dumped on the side of the road, and the trailer in question matched the description of one of the trailers at this facility; it could be